Meet Ohnekase: The Perks of Guilds

My apologies for today, but Ohnekase will not be joining us.  This is more of an informational session than a practical one.

Today, I want to discuss the advantages of being in guilds.  Guilds are wonderful things.  They give you some friendship and companionship, and open up a great number of things in the game that are harder to get without it.  You can more easily get raids set up, you can have really fun events in your guild, guilds can allow for roleplay within the guild, and that is just the major ones.

However, for us gold makers, the best thing from guilds is Guild Perks.  Guild Perks give us in-game benefits just for being with your posse.  Almost every level of Guild Perks can be a great help to gold making.

When I create new characters, I try to get myself in a higher level guild.  It will help throughout your entire level.

Let me explain:

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Level 2 and 6:  Fast Track Level 1 and Level 2

How does extra XP help us in Gold Making.  Well, faster leveling for us means that we can get to Higher level Professions levels and Node levels.  This is, in itself, a boon because it will allow us to get through less profitable zones that we might be in.  For example, say on your server, Silverleaf and Peacebloom don't sell well (say, only a few silver each).  Well, with these perks, if we are so inclined, getting through the low level zones that would have that would be faster.

Plus, if you are doing this for a second or third character and are sick of a particular zone, this helps you cruise through it (Just remember, Northrend is where Alts go to die :) ).

Level 3:  Mount Up

Mount Up gives us an increase to our Mount Speed.  How does help us?  Simple, moving faster means we can get to where we are going, whether that is to extra Nodes for farming, or getting us to the next are faster. You cannot go wrong with going just that much faster :).  I love this guild perk.

Level 4 and 12:  Mr Popularity Rank 1 and 2

Mr Popularity gives us more rep, which means that we can get more of our Reputations to Exalted.  The best part about that is that there are some great recipes that we can learn to make some great items.

The best example I can think of is the Enchants for Agility for pre level 60.  There are 2 Enchant Recipes for weapon enchants for plus agility.  The best use for these is for all of the Heirloom weapons that people tote around.

But to get it, you have to get yourself liked by the Timbermaw Hold in Felwood.  And getting there can mean quite a bit of killing.  10% more rep will take the grind down a bit.

Level 5 and 16:  Cash Flow 1 and 2

Cash Flow gives the guild free money.  Every time you loot any money, the guild bank gets 5 and 10 percent of that.  This, however, is tricky.  It can be useful or it can just be kind of worthless.

If you have a more lenient guild (which many guilds are), they will allow you to use some of the guild bank money for guild repairs.  If they do, then this helps us gold makers because money that isn't spent on repairs is money saved.

However, there are some guilds that kinda use it to be a little stingy.  Is it wrong?  In my opinion, if the guild uses some other use for it, such as buying materials for its guild for its guild, than I wouldn't say it is wrong.  If it is just a money grab, then I disagree with it personally, but that is the guilds prerogative.  My theory is if you have such a problem with it, then leave.

Like I said though, your results may vary.

Level 7 and 9  Reinforce 1 and 2

10 and 20 percent less durability loss when you die equates to less money spent on repairs.  Less money spent on repairs mean more money in our pocket.  Even if your guild has some guild repairs allowed, it will still helps.

Level 8:  Hasty Hearth

15 minutes left on your Hearthstone means you have a 15 Minute Cooldown.  Hearthing every 15 minutes isn't the best gold making one out there, but I know I have used it.  For example, I have a high level Alchemist who does a Living Elements Transmute in Uldum.  I have found several times where my hearth was on cooldown and I wanted to head back.  So, 15 minute hearth can help.

Level 10 and 22:  Chug a Lug 1 and 2

As a gold maker, I would probably say this doesn't help you.  As a raider, it is amazing.  But, hey you cannot have all of the perks be amazing for gold making.

If someone wants to tell me how money could be made here, you can let me know.

Level 11:  Mobile Banking

By itself, I would say it is not terribly helpful.  However, there are a couple of times you could get use out of a free guild bank.  If your guild lets you pull out mats or buy them from the bank or something, it could be handy to have, or at least a time saver.

Also, I guess if you have a bank alt guild (I will talk about this later), then you could use it to save a bit of time, which never hurts when you are posting a ton.

Level 13 and 19:  Honorable Mention 1 and 2

How is a 5 and 10 percent buff in Honor going to help us.  Well, I am a big believer in the saying that you can never have too much of a good thing.  If you a PVPer, this is great.  And if you hit the Honor cap, go buy Mats, cause they sell a lot of different options.  I don't see a problem with that.

Level 14:  Working Overtime

This is amazing for crafting professions.  Once I have hit a higher level, I have level professions from 1 to 525.  I cannot tell you how much 10% chance to get points on those yellow and green recipes is helpful.

Seriously, this might not help you right out the gate (though being able to get up to whatever node you need to faster is good), it will help.

Level 15:  The Quick and The Dead

More Health when you resurrect and faster speed while dead is a nice time saver.  No matter how good a player you are, I am of the opinion that, at some point, you will die.  Sorry, it happens.  However, getting back into the action isn't a bad thing.  Less time dead equals more time getting loots :)

Level 17:  Guild Mail

Instant Guild Mail is wonderful.  Offering to buy materials from your guild is not a bad thing at all.  Getting items to your guild quickly is not a bad thing.  This is easily in my top 3 guild perks.

Remember, in a game where it is technically possible to create money out of nothing (it really is), you are still limited in the time you have in a day.

Level 18:  For Great Justice

5% extra Justice Points is a benefit you will reap at a later date, but it will help.  Again, it is a definite time saver perk.  However, if you have a ton of Justice Points, look into the BoE items.  Or the Wrath Gems.  They really are more helpful than you would think.

Level 20:  Happy Hour

Again, this is a raiders perk, more than a money making perk.  Let me know if you have better advice on this one.

Level 21:  Have Group, Will Travel

This is more helpful than you would think.  If you are careful or creative, you can offer to sell this ability to get someone there fast.  If you don't believe me on that one, ask Faid of the Nerf Faid blog.  I believe she has a story about this ability making money.

In addition, being able to get your friends to you is never a bad thing.

Level 23:  Bountiful Bags

For our purpose, this is the best Perk that we can get.  Getting extra mats means straight up extra money.  You cannot go wrong with this perk.

For level 85s reading this, think about Getting a bonus on something like a Heavenly Shard or a Maelstrom Crystal.  That is a really good win for us.

Level 24  Bartering

10% less cost on all Vendor items.  That is huge.  For us low level characters, that is less money on skill training and on any profession mats we want (think cheaper vials for alchemists).

But why stop there.  10% off of mount costs.  Win.  10% off of expensive mounts (think Traveler's Tundra Mount)?  Wow, that is over 1k gold savings.  Want to make and sell Motorcycles and Vial of the Sands.  10% on the more than 20000 gold in vendor mats you have to have is an amazing win.

Level 25:  Mass Ressurection

The Last Guild Perk and great to have.  Kinda a nice time server when your healer dies in an instance and you don't have to wait 10 minutes for them to get back.

Conclusion

Guilds are wonderful.  I would not still be playing this game if it weren't for guilds.  Guilds give you friendship and some great motivators to keep going.

But enough of the sappy stuff again, we can't go wrong with guilds.  If you can get into a Level 25 Guild, it will help you through your money making career.

But wait, one last quick thing...

If you haven't gotten a guild yet, keep an eye out in trade chat for people needing guild signatures.  I haven't seen it as much these days, but people will pay you for your guild signature.  They just want to make the guild, then kick everyone out of it.

20 gold for doing nothing extra?  You can get it.

Next week?

Next time, I think we are going to go for something completely different.  I will talk a little bit about it later.  However, in the mean time, if you need something to do, feel free to vote on my vote on the blog.  It expires at the end of the month, and I am very curious what you all think.

See ya Next Time.....

Meet Ohnekase: Quick Money making post: Pilgrim's Bounty

Meet Ohnekase

Deathwing, US

Ok, so I know I said we were gong to talk about guilds, but I noticed a bunch of bloggers posting a great low level goldmaking strategy that is good for this week only.  So, I decided to try it out.

Today, we are going to talk about the Holiday Event of Pilgrim's Bounty.  Pilgrim's Bounty is a 1 week holiday event that allows players to get some rep buffs, eat lots of random food, level their cooking, and get some achievements.

We are going to take note of the cooking portion of this.  Why, you ask, is this helpful for us?  Consider the following:

1) If you want to get a high level cooking, this is the fastest, cheapest, and easiest way to level it.  So, if that is in the cards for you, it is worth the time for you to do it.

2)  Consider the following recipe:

Wild Turkey is gotten by killing the Wild Turkeys that are wandering Elwynn Forest and Tirisfal Glades.  They are level 1, and the mobs around them are level 5-10.  This is a perfect opportunity, especially considering how many they need for the dailies or cooking.

Daily:  Can't Get Enough Turkey, 20 Turkeys

Quest:  Slow-Roasted Turkey, 5 Turkeys.

Leveling Cooking;  From 280 - 340+, 60 Wild Turkeys + any more they want if they want to try and force it to 350 or so.

So we are talking people needing 20 a day, 5 just while they are doing the quests, and a lot while leveling your cooking.  Lets try and making some money on it.

Turkey Farming

So, we are going to farm some turkeys for roughly 15 minutes.

So for a quick tutorial to get Wild Turkeys.  This is a Wild Turkey.  Simply kill and loot it, and you get your Wild Turkey Meat to try and sell to players.

NOTE:  Hunters have the perk of the skill "Track Beasts", which allows you see the Turkeys on your mini-map.  Also, if you are above level 10 or so, most of the mobs will probably ignore you and even if they do attack you, you can crush them.  Every class can do this pretty easily.

So, with all that in mind, time for the 15 minute dash.

Little bit of an overpull trying to get a Turkey, lol.

They sure are nice putting plucking themselves
for me.

Don't know where a Turkey is?
Fortunately, I am a Hunter and my mini-map does

Roar.  Turkeys should fear me.

I feel like there should be some deep announcer voice that says, "DOMINATING!"

Ouch!  No Good!

Ok, so I am almost at 15 minutes and I have 2 stacks.  Lets see
what we can do with this.

So we stopped just short of 15 minutes, but 2 stacks should show us what we can do.

First, obviously, we need to get to Stormwind.  Then we are going to Bark in chat to try and sell these.

Why do we advertise in chat you say?  We can't sell them in the AH, and we are selling the convenience.  The question is, how much do we want to charge?

Let try something outlandish first.  I am not sure, but I am curious if people on this server will pay 5 gold a piece.  That could make us 200 gold.

Let us be smart about this.  If we just advertise the items, I don't they have as good a chance to sell.  Let's choose our words carefully.  Let's catch there eye.  Something like:

Need turkeys for the daily or the Pilgrim's bounty quest, but don't want to farm them?  Buy from me.  I have 40 [Wild Turkeys] to save you time.  5 gold/ea.  PST.

We have worded this in such a way to appeal to people's laziness.  And believe it, it works.

Lets try it.

Wait, one last thing we can do.  The quest for the Turkey daily turns in at Ironforge.  So perhaps we could go just outside there and  and offer it there.

Here is my exact Advertisement

So, I tried a bit in Stormwind and Elwynn, but I am gonna try Ironforge and just outside to see if someone is interested.

So, check this out.  Not 2 seconds after I hear from a guy cursing my choice in pricing, some guy wants to buys some.  He ended up buys 5 for 25 gold, then asked if I would give him a deal on 20 more (60 gold/ 3 gold each).

Now that I am down to 15 (if I wanted to try it more, I could just go spend 15 minutes to farm even more), I am going to change my tactic.

"Down to my last 15 Wild Turkey.  Selling 5 for 20 gold.  Get your Holiday Quests done."

Lets see what we can get here.

Other Factors on this...


I wanted to get this out on Sunday cause the time to get turkeys is limited, however, I am going to hypothesize something.  On Sunday, someone has the time and willpower to do the Turkeys to get the 25 they need, or more for their dailies, quests, and cooking.  However, if I get 25 on Sunday, 20 Monday, and 20 Tuesdays, by Wednesday, I am less interested in running around and farming turkeys with everyone else there.  It turns into a type something like this

[Achievement Guy]  Uggh, I know I want to finish this, but I hate grinding turkeys.

So, with fewer people wanting to go get turkeys, we have a better chance to sell them.  20 turkeys for 100 gold.  I would bet we are more likely to sell them.  Or maybe we just go ahead and set it up in a deal structure (25 gold for 5, 80 gold for 20).  Either way, I would bet we could sell even more.  Not a bad way.  And at 80+ gold for a low level character, I would say we are good until we start getting flying, even if we didn't make a single copper more.

But we will, I know who we are.

Conclusion


This wasn't what I had planned on writing about, but as several have pointed out, it is good money.  Something quick and easy to get you some good money, I will never complain.  Plus, for the true Goblins among us, there is money to be made on every holiday.  This is just one.

For another item you might be able to stockpile, try getting some Small Eggs.  They used to be used for Gingerbread cookies to give to Santa and used to be going for like 1 gold or more each.

For other good ideas forturkey time, and to give credit where this was pointed out, check out the following:

http://ahgrind.blogspot.com/2011/11/pilgrims-bounty.html :  From the Auction House Grind Blog

http://xsinthis.net/2011/11/pilgrims-bounty-and-world-of-warcrafts-7th-anniversary/#utm_source=feed&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=feed?utm_source=subscriber&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss : From the Golden Crusade Podcast.

http://www.thegoldqueen.com/beginners/practical-guide/pilgrims-bounty-mage-gold-rush/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheGoldQueen+%28The+Gold+Queen%29 : From the Gold queen podcast.


Ok, lets see if we can't get that other podcast I want to get this week.  If I can't I will try and get it out next week.


See ya next time...

White Ribbon - Heart of Gold

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Meet Ohnekase: Money making through vendors.

Meet Ohnekase.

Maiev, US

We have been talking about making money through professions.  These are a great way to make money.  Today, we are going to talk about making money without actually doing any real work.  Instead, we are going to run around, buy stuff from vendors, then sell them on the Auction House.

In this dimension, Ohnekase was born to a merchant father and mother.  They worked out of Razor Hill and would buy and sell anything people would give them.  You know all those grey items you sell to merchants.  Ohnekase's parents had uses for them.  Ruined Scraps, they could turn into cloth.  Random animal parts, they sold to Taxidermists or made into cheap leather.  Ohnekase learned everything there was to know about making money, until he was put into the Troll Mages' program.

Vendor stuffs


There are 2 great things that you can get from vendors:  Profession mats, rare recipes, and pets.

Profession mats are great because people want them for their Alchemy, Enchanting, and other materials.  If you remember our second articles, where we bought enchanting materials, then sold them on the AH.  We can work on that.

Rare recipes look something like this from a vendor.

Ok, this is an example from another of my characters of a rare recipe found in Thunder Bluff.  notice the Merchant is only selling 1 of them.  This is something in limited quantity that people might want.

Finally, there are pets.  Companion pets are super cool little creatures that will follow you around and players.  Many vendors sell these pets.


Of course, here is the question that I know you would have on all of these.  "Wait a minute," you would say.  "If vendors have these items, why don't people go check them first."  The answer is very simple:  People do not know about them and/or people are lazy.

Lets take an example of the first one.  Pretend I am a level 85 character leveling up my Alchemy from 1 to 525 (very popular thing to do).  I am looking at making 100s of potions to get there, and I need a lot of Herbs (again, popular for people leveling alchemy not to have an herbalist or what not).  Because I need a bulk of materials, should I first spend 5 minutes going to the Herbalist or Alchemist to see if they have something I would want, or should I just go to the auction house and pay a small premium for them.  Auction house it is.

For pets, there are a sizable number of people who don't know about the pet sellers, or don't know about some of them.  They just click the Misc/Pets tab of the Auction House, click the Button that says, "Usable Item", and buy what they don't have.    Even if they are spending 10 times what they could vendor it for, either they don't know or they don't care (most players don't really cringe at spending 10+ gold at 85).

For these examples, us low level people can use this to actually make some coin.  There are so many ways to do it, with just a little bit of time and patience.

So, here is how it is going to work this week.  Ohnekase is going to get to level 5 and head straight up to Orgrimmar.  I might check some merchants on the way for stuff, but I am not going to train in any professions or anything, just going to head up there.  My hope is to walk in with 5 silver, then we will check places to try and make some money and put them up on the Auction House.  Every day, I will try and monitor my auctions to see if I can get some sales, and we will see how we are doing.

Lets give it a try

To level 5....and beyond....


Ok, first things first, leveling

I was sent to help what can I do.

Burn baby, burn

Vol'jin, it is a pleasure to meet you.  How can I help?

Holy crap, holding on for dear life.

Alright Vol'jin.  Lets take her down.

Nooo, my partner.  Nooooooo....

Ok, so we hit level 5, lets see where we are sitting...

Ok, so we are at 9 Silver and we have a bonus of 7 Clam Meat.  Clam Meat is used for cooking, and usually a pretty popular seller.  So we are going to try and sell those to for bonus gold.

Now, in Orgrimmar and see what we can find.

Orgrimmar...

First things first, I want to put up the Clam Meat and see if I can get just some small gold to work with for Vendors.

Nothing there, but I am gonna try for it.  They usually sell pretty well.  I am just going to go for 1 gold a piece, lets see what happens.  We may be in trouble. :P

Next, lets see what professions vendors have for us...

Some rare recipes, which is good.

More rare recipes

Ok, so here is the Strange Dust and the Essence.

So, I am going to try for a Strange Dust, first.  Lets check the Auctions.

Ooooh, this could be problematic

Wow, strike out for now.  Doesn't look like it is up for now.  However, we can hold onto it until later.  Lets check back later and see what else we can come up with.

Orgrimmar, part 2...

Ok, so lets check a day later at both the cost to sell the Strange Dust at, and if our Clam Meat sold.

Clam Meat Sold.  7 Gold will help us for our next step

Strange dust is up to 40 silver.  This is good news for us.  Now we can try and make some money. 

Ok, so, this is good news for us.  We now know that we can make money (also, note that the price of the Strange Dust is a little bit volatile.  We could technically use this too).  Now that we have 7+ gold to work with, lets start with buying some of the stuff we looked at.

Rare recipes from the Goblins.  Lets try that. 

Another rare recipe.  Lets try that as well.

You can get some tailoring patterns here and they are rare.  Lets grab them too. 

Ok, so we talked about rare recipes.  Lets try and sell them.  In addition, there is a Snake Vendor in Orgrimmar, lets grab 1 of each pet from him (50 silver each).

NOTE:  I grabbed the Steam Tonk Controller Recipe.  It was soulbound.  That was kinda dumb.  Oops.

In addition, I went and picked up the Strange Dust and the Magic Essence that we found from yesterday (it refreshed).  Now that I have a list of 10ish things to sell, lets see what they sell for.

Assuming they sell, 30 silver profit.  Not bad 

1 Gold, 25 profit 

Holy Cow!!!  I doubt it will sell, but if we can, that is 100 gold profit, for nothing.  Lets try.

Another Crazy profit.  Again lets try. 

1000%+ profit.  I will take it. 

100+ gold profit. 

If it sells, this is great for us. 

$$$ 

Even this one is pretty good.

Ok, so even if one a few of these sell, we have made back our money.  This is just wandering around for 5 minutes.

Again, lets give it a day and check it later to see how we do (we might not do well, but really, we are still not out too much and we haven't put in that much time).

Later...

Ok, we will check the AH one more time for 1 more 24 hour turnaround and see where we got to.

First, lets check what happened...

Ok, so the stuff that we put up didn't sell or got undercut.  So lets cancel them.  I don't want to give up on the Enchanting Mats, so I am gonna try again.  I am also gonna pick up some more Enchanting mats.  Finally, I wanna get some snakes and put them back up.

So, we picked up a couple more Strange Dust and Magic Essence and the Snakes.

So, lets wait one more day and see what we can find.

Last Day...

So, first, lets see what we sold

So the Essence, Dust, and a Snake sold.  Not bad.

As you can see below, the rest did not sell.

So, 2 of the Snakes didn't sell, which is fine, cause we have seen those pets sell without too much trouble.  None of the rare recipe's sold.

Lets look at what we have learned.

1. Items can sell even if they are not hard to get:  So, we went and purchased low level dust for 7 silver and sold it for 40 silver.  That is a pretty good profit for us considering the amount of time it took us (lets say 2 minutes for good measure).  Why?  Well, as I said, people are lazy.  If I am leveling Enchanting from 1 to 525 and I am at 85, I do not want to sit there and save 70 silver or so.  I am going to buy as much dust and essence as I can get.  Sure if the price is prohibitive (say 30 gold a piece for Strange Dust), then yeah, I will probably find other ways to do it.

2. Pets will sell:  As of this writing (looking at the website warcraftpets.com, I just googled it), there are 211 pets in the game.  I, like many others, love pets, and do like to try and get to the 150 pets for the littlest pet shop achievement.  That means that I am going to be needing a lot of pets for that.  That also means that I don't know or don't care where I get them if the price is right.  Do I care to fly to Thunder Bluff to go get the Prairie Dog (If I know it is there) when I can buy 1 for 3 gold on the Auction House?  For a lot of players, the answer is no.

A side note to this, it can also be advantageous if you try and get into the cross faction pet selling (it is difficult, but doable), you can actually make a sizable chunk of profit for little work.

3. Our Vendor Recipes didn't sell:  Ok, so this one is one I thought I would bring up because I want to defend my choice a little.  As it was here, and as I was trying to demonstrate, you can make money without leaving Orgrimmar or sitting on the Auction House for days and days at a time.  Vendor recipes are one way you can try to do that.  However, with Vendor recipes, they will not always sell.  For one, not everyone will need them.  If I am leveling Engineering, I may not care about the Red Firework Recipe.  Several people at max professions don't care about the lower level recipes (Note this, it is actually a good tactic).  The completionists do like to get all the recipes.  And they will usually pay to buy them, especially if they don't know or didn't check wowhead. 

Besides, we only spent 1 silver putting them up. So, lets say that we try and try and try, but cannot sell them, but eventually we will sell 1 of them for 20 gold in 2 months.  We are down maybe 2 or 3 gold for posting them up @ 48 hours, but still made 17-18 gold profit.  Is that bad?  Gold is gold.

4. If you put your mind to it, you can make gold anywhere:  If I play a character and am working on getting money, am I going to get to the gold cap with this method?  Probably not.  However, if I am a DPS waiting for a Dungeon Queue (which happens at every level of play), maybe stop in and grab a couple of dust and a few pets.  While you would be just running laps around Orgrimmar, Stormwind, or anywhere else, you could make a few gold.  Sure it isn't tons and tons, but it does make a difference.

Other Profession Recipes and Pets for profit.

So, we have found Mats and Pets in Orgrimmar and Stormwind.  However, I will tell you right now that there are a lot of Vendor and Pet Recipest to be found everywhere you go.  There are a lot of other blogs that have talked about this way of making money.  Rather than giving them all credit (and I think most blogs will mention at least one or two places to pick up a vendor recipe), I will go ahead and give you one of the better ones.

One of the blogs that I follow is http://nerffaids.blogspot.com/ .  I like her style and she has a lot to say on the subject.  I especially (for max level professions) like her WoW Gold Rush Youtube Videos.  They are great guides to use profession information and make money with very little time invested.  The real important reason I mention her on this post, though, is that she did a youtube video of a long series of places you can go to get rare recipes and pets to sell on the Auction House.  Now, obviously, if you just started on a server, you will not be able to get all of them.  But it is definitely helpful to know where they all are.  So here is a link to that Blog post.

http://nerffaids.blogspot.com/2011/10/vendor-recipes-and-pets-redux.html

Conclusion

Ok, so this blog post wasn't the most prolific, and I didn't end the thing with tons and tons of gold.  But if I made, say, 6 or 7 gold on top of what I had already been doing (professions or what not), then I wouldn't consider it a waste.  At low level, even having an extra 1 gold will help you a lot just in playing the game.

I know several people who had trouble affording their class training, their mounts, and all of the other important stuff.  So, being able to use simple tactics for a few extra gold will help.  In Faid's guide above, she is not kidding when she says you can make 1,000+ gold off of these recipes.  Sure, you wont make it in one sale, but one of the early lessons I learned is that it is easier to make 1,000 gold from 100 items than it is to make 1000 gold from 1 item.

So that is all I have to say for that.  I am sorry this was such a long post, but I really felt like this should have been something that was tended over more than one day.  It is important to get a little bit of cycling time and show that the percistance does pay off.

Next time, I am going to do a shorter post I think, where I discuss guilds.  In particular, I want to point out a couple of ways you can make money from guilds without putting them out anything (i.e. stealing or cheating your guildies).

So,

See ya next time....